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John Benjamin bike on youtube (27 posts)

  • Profile picture of Tom Esslemont Tom Esslemont said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    Nice link on youtube, courtesy of Yahoo groups…

  • Profile picture of Tom Esslemont Tom Esslemont said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    Note all the interesting features on this ‘bitza’, more than your average speedsix though… Note the following-

    -Export / S Deluxe type frame, note revised cable routing with single hole on drive side
    -Airlite/ stainless or chromed?! Dunlop rim?? looks too shiny for alloy…
    -Chrome plated front and rear forks, note spoke lock…
    -I can put money on it that the rear carrier is chrome under that black paint?
    -Notice the transfers have been applied much more centrally on the main beam, note this is often seen on works bikes.. S Speeds, Ken, has your Peter Lea not got transfers further down? The Marathon shows this too, and from memory was there a photo of your Lauterwasser Mk3 showing decals further down many years ago?
    -Standard speedsix chainset,
    -is there a damper on each side, or just on one?!
    -Balilla levers etc etc..
    -Balilla brake caliper on front

    -and of course the front wheel looks straight from AM production… and of course the older gentleman he is talking about would have been the legendary JL himself.

    Nice interesting bike, suspension looks smooth!

    Tom

  • Profile picture of kenneth buttterfield kenneth buttterfield said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    You nailed it Tom!
    Not a production line speedsix, but an S unit/speedsix hybrid built at the works for an employee of Moulton bicycles with full provenance…it doesn’t get much better than that?
    Did you mention the band-on gear lever typical of these works frames?
    Ken

  • Profile picture of Tom Esslemont Tom Esslemont said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    Hi Ken,

    Ah yeah, I did notice that, forgot to mention it! Didn’t Pat’s bike have this originally? Good to see more of these bikes coming out of the woodwork… I will have more pics for you very soon… The export style frame seems to have been a fave for these specials, perhaps seen as a stronger bet?

    Tom

  • Profile picture of kenneth buttterfield kenneth buttterfield said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    I just recalled that the sister bike to this (John Benjamin’s sons bike), now in Japan….had the band on lever originally, but a braze on was added by John Bradshaw during it’s first rebuild.

  • Profile picture of john bartlett john bartlett said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    These export type frames are very similar to moulton major frames and I noticed that Ken’s ex Peter Lea bike still has the dynamo cable hole on the short top tube and as Ken pointed out, the remains of a braze on underneath the L shaped lower rack mounting bracket.

  • Profile picture of kenneth buttterfield kenneth buttterfield said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    The “Export” frame is really like a stowaway without the cut ie. short rack, and plenty of strength around the seat tube due to those fixed supports…it has to be stronger…ken

  • Profile picture of kenneth buttterfield kenneth buttterfield said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    The peter Lea bike is another of those delightful/quirky S unit/speedsix hybrids built around a Major frame….this was around 1970 and all the old speedsix frames had been used up?
    Peter Lea wanted a swap for his S safari so the works had to adapt this frameset and paint it orange!

  • Profile picture of Alexander Johnston Alexander Johnston said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    And it took him a couple of months to take it out of the box!
    Alex

  • Profile picture of Tom Esslemont Tom Esslemont said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    Notice this Benjamin bike is a ‘series 1′ S type seat tube, whereas the other sister bike was an edge brazed ‘series 2 ‘ style seat tube? My S stowaway is edge brazed series two, these frames are pretty damn strong, (the weak spot obviously being those dodgy stowaway joints!) I assume this Benjamin bike was his, and his son wanted one to match? Hence urging JL to build the bike Pat used to own?

    Seems strange that most of the S bikes you see from 65 / 66 are all the ‘series 1′ style main frames; I guess left over tubing and possibly jigs if there were differences on that side of things meant that the S unit could have their own designated set up, whereas the factory in the grounds used the more up to date series 2 type tubing and edge brazing? Perhaps jigs and tools were sent down in 65 for the S unit to keep there?? Would this perhaps suggest why my S Stowaway is edge brazed and has a 6 digit number, just like Ian Wrights? Perhaps neat frames taken from mainstream production at that time??

    Maybe I am talking garbage… the last 67 S brochure shows transverse seat tubes for both S stowaway and S safari… ties in nicely with JB’s S safari too?? I seem to recall that didn’t have a frame number, John?

    Tom

  • Profile picture of Ian Spencer Ian Spencer said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    What ever happened to Peter’s red S safari? I read a story about Peter obtaining his record with that bike… actually, I think you wrote it Ken.

    Tom, can you send me a link to this youtube video?

    “The “Export” frame is really like a stowaway without the cut ie. short rack, and plenty of strength around the seat tube due to those fixed supports…it has to be stronger…ken” – This is exactly right Ken.

  • Profile picture of Tom Esslemont Tom Esslemont said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    Paste this in, should work OK!

    Tom

  • Profile picture of Tom Esslemont Tom Esslemont said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    …Perhaps the tail beam being removable fitted in packing crates a bit easier, too??

    Tom

  • Profile picture of Ian Spencer Ian Spencer said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    Wow, that is interesting. There are a lot of unique features about that bike. I cant tell if the color is pale blue or pale gray!

    Interesting what you say about packing crates, because I’ve thought the same thing! This is true. If you have ever tried to ship a Moulton with the long tail beam you will know, it’s almost impossible to get it packed in a box that will meet standard shipping dimensions without requiring over sized packaging fees. Some carriers won’t even handle it. I don’t know if this was the reason for the design… but I cant help to wonder if it played a part in the decision to use that frame style for export bikes.

    Interesting how the cable routing holes on this bike both exit on the right. Must have GB Coureur rear brake?

  • Profile picture of kenneth buttterfield kenneth buttterfield said 1 year, 2 months ago:

    This is getting interesting chaps…I will need time to re read…Oh and the red Lea S safari is stored in AMs private collection and has probably never been displayed..ken